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anonymous · Jul 27, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

Thank you for giving a concise, comprehensive, fair and intelligent answer to a question. Online forums could really use more posts like yours.

He was asked what he would do, he answered. Simple as that.

Loviatar · Jul 27, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

So how does the fact that NCSoft owns ANet relate to the fact that the main Guild Wars website contains editing errors? I went off on a tangent to find a connection, since you didn't provide one.

to answer your question simply you brought up what you thought were Anets assets and were holding Anet uo to those "fancy company" standards

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I'd call any business that boasts a revolutionary revenue model, 2 million items sold and a huge fan following of their product a "fancy" one.

Guild Wars is ANet's business since it's (right now) the only ANet game. The Guild Wars website is the main advertisement for Guild Wars. I believe it should be held up to the "fancy business page" standards because it is very likely to be the first place incoming customers will look for detailed game information.

my statement was simply correcting your assumption that Anet owned those assets when it is NCSoft that is the owner

dmndidjit · Jul 27, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Maybe www.guildwars.com should lose "elite" status.
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Edit: Corrected spelling error

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 27, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

to answer your question simply you brought up what you thought were Anets assets and were holding Anet uo to those "fancy company" standards

my statement was simply correcting your assumption that Anet owned those assets when it is NCSoft that is the owner

What I can't understand is why you'd bring it up. The reason I pointed out Guild Wars meets the definition of a "fancy business" in my eyes is precisely because of the kind of things ANet has achieved. The Guild Wars site remains the main advertisement for Guild Wars, especially since most print ads will direct you to the site as well as (or instead of) to your local store. If the customer chooses to purchase Guild Wars online, based on the site content exclusively, ANet will receive an even greater cut of the profits by selling an account code electronically and cutting out box and store expenses.

My point is that no matter who owns or receives the most profit from Guild Wars, Guild Wars is still a very successful business and should be treated as such. Are you saying that because ANet doesn't technically own Guild Wars they aren't as motivated to hold the site up to "fancy business" standards? Because I see no other reason to bring it up, even if you are "just pointing it out."

inscribed · Jul 27, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Loviatar is just looking for anything to argue about, even if it has nothing to do with the thread topic. Whats that called again? Oh yeah, trolling.

Loviatar · Jul 27, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Loviatar is just looking for anything to argue about, even if it has nothing to do with the thread topic. Whats that called again? Oh yeah, trolling.

you chiming in for no reason except a snide comment fits trolling much better

Malice Black · Jul 28, 2006, 01:42 AM // 01:42

e-mail them...they are the source of your little "problem" take it to them

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 28, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

e-mail them...they are the source of your little "problem" take it to them

Who, precisely, are you referring to? ANet? NCSoft? If you mean ANet, I've already emailed them multiple times about editing errors in the articles. So far, the only fix I've seen was the factual error I quoted, while the editing error right next to it wasn't even touched!

I'll keep emailing them, of course. Big companies frequently use this theory that one angry email means 10 angry customers, one angry phonecall means 100 angry customers, and one angry letter means 1000 angry customers (or something to that extent). Perhaps I should write a letter as well, since the emails don't seem to be doing the trick?

Malice Black · Jul 28, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

if they have not changed it by now then they never will..let it go and get back to playing the game

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 28, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

if they have not changed it by now then they never will..let it go and get back to playing the game

Alright, fine, maybe we should just "forget" past mistakes, but they have to at least be taken into account. This week's Scribe may be edited a lot better than the State of the Game article, but it still contains an editing error in the very first paragraph:

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Originally Posted by The Scribe

It seems that travelers from distant lands will be arriving in the Battle Isles this weekend to compete or against local residents.

The bolded section should read "compete with or against." It may be a minor correction when taken alone, but when considered in light of all the other editing errors it's part of a pattern that has to be acknowledged. It's not that there was some bad editing of articles on the main Guild Wars site; it's that there is bad editing and nothing is being done about it, not even retroactive changes.

The greatest reason I'm concerned is that it's much easier to edit site content than it is to edit NPC speeches. If site content doesn't get fixed, what does that say about game content?

Opeth11 · Jul 28, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

If site content doesn't get fixed, what does that say about game content?

Priority of the game may be more important to them than The Scribe? Maybe they're working on the harder to deal with NPC speech instead of editing text on a site. Nobody knows.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 28, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by Opeth11

Priority of the game may be more important to them than The Scribe? Maybe they're working on the harder to deal with NPC speech instead of editing text on a site. Nobody knows.

But site content is rolled out all week every week, and there needs to be a way to deal with both the in-game and the site editing. If the ANet editors are indeed working on something else, ANet needs to get a bigger staff of editors to reduce the workload on each editor.

But again, this is just speculation because even though we're giving ANet feedback we're not getting any in return. If ANet is asking for our help spotting the errors - as Gaile Gray did by starting that feedback thread - we should at least find out what's being done to fix the ones we find. And if nothing is - as the lack of retroactive editing and editing errors in new articles seem to suggest - we need to know who's dropping the ball, too.

sajuuk · Jul 28, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by Loviatar
were you aware that everything you described belongs to NCSoft?

It is the editors' responsibility to make sure everything posted are EDITED -- means no errors, no stupid none-sense! The fact that NCSoft own Anet has nothing to do with all the errors on GW website, except the editor is told to screw the English and just make sure all the Korean grammars and spellings are correct.

secondly, a great game should manifest in every aspect of it. Its gameplay, visual, contents, its user support-- which is the OFFICIAL website, etc. If they can't fix a simple problem on the web, I don't expect them to fix small errors in the game.

inscribed · Jul 28, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31

The latest update is just another example of ArenaNet's half assed attitude toward things. There is no reason a publicly released patch should have near that many bugs.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 28, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by inscribed

The latest update is just another example of ArenaNet's half assed attitude toward things. There is no reason a publicly released patch should have near that many bugs.

Well, technically, there is a reason. The update is supposed to introduce new Nightfall content, which would imply that content is being tested for compatibility and consistency not just with itself but also with the game at large. While we're going to be busy testing the new professions in PvP ANet will no doubt be busy checking for anything that gets messed up by the new update in the current chapters. If you remember, there was a similar issue before the Factions PvP weekend, when an unwanted update got through without ANet noticing it.

None of the above excuses the number of the little things that got messed up, and I understand your concern. I am very surprised that ANet would let us "test" Paragon and Dervish without enabling the support for characters of both sexes, especially after character models showed fully functional Paragons and Dervishes of both sexes. The Factions PvP weekend did not have this limitation, and it could be another indication that ANet is unable to sustain the pace it's currently setting for itself without some sort of changes or additions to the team.

inscribed · Jul 28, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Most of the bugs that were introduced didn't have anything to do with the Nightfalls content. I'm referring to things like the capture sig problems, random naked dudes, graphics card problems where there were none before, random towns in Factions and Prophecies not loading, characters getting screwed up skins/hair/armor, etc.

And honestly, if it was just this patch, or just this article, or whatever, it wouldn't even be a big deal, but every damn thing they've done for the past few months comes across as being half assed. I'm an adult, I work in a professional field, and when I am at work, I'm expected to maintain a certain level of professionalism. I expect other adults who also work in professional fields to have the same attitude, not this amateur hour stuff.

Shyft the Pyro · Jul 31, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

The new State of the Game article is out, and while again the editing has improved there are still errors in the article. I guess ANet just doesn't think editing errors on the official site are a big enough issue to have them corrected, what with Nightfall coming and all. I will still keep sending the errors I find directly to them in the hope that if my emails pile up someone at ANet might start caring about how well the editors are doing their job.